the underlying trend here, is that any give -- well, let's put it this way. compromise is not celebrated in the way that doris said it was in the past. >> i don't think compromise is failing. i think when we say washington is broken, it's never going to get better -- and i'm not saying that's what we're saying here -- but that's failing. by saying, well, it's just broken, we'll have to accept our place in history. no, we can come to a compromise. as i said, truly there is a feeling in my caucus and in me specifically, i can say, that i feel we are willing to compromise by coming to the table and saying we understand we'll have to raise the debt limit specifically, but we'll have to get ourselves on a fiscal trajectory, because, look, we've spent too much money. we have the same tax rates, two wars, the same prescription drug benefit in 2007, but the deficit then was $161 billion. this year it's $1.5 trillion. >> this is the question, senator hagel, is this extreme principle or is this a form of taking an issue and using that issue to say, you know, absolutely no give, no matter whether there's a crisis looming financially or not?